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DizzyMissLizzie1 |
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hannah kipje |
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Wow.. what a confusing film...
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Selivia |
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I saw this first at the cinema and then got the dvd when it was released.
It was at first confusing a little, although I was aware right from the begining that Ryan's character was dead, but the way the story was told was very interesting and intriguing. What I didn't catch at first viewing was the relationship between the characters in reality, and that what we were seeing was what was flashing through his head in those few moments as he hovered between. The camerawrok should have given me a better clue with the off-kilter, angled images. There were other tricks as well -like the repeat of some scenes, the important people turning up were all dead. The thing I would like to hear from other people is their take on the pairs/twins in the background. And even triplets later in the movie. The dvd I have doesn't have any commentary tracks as I was hoping to get some insight from the director and/or writer. Generally speaking, I liked the movie. Probably as much for the way it was able to fool me for so long as well as the acting, and some of the amazing escher-like sets. |
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hannah kipje |
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Oh thank GOD someone else saw this as well..
My DVD did have two commentary tracks and without them I would not have understood the movie. And I was a little disappointed to find out whet it was all about.. What we see is in the boys head. It is his 'near death' experience just before he dies. So it was never about the psychiatrist. He just uses him and Naomi's character because they are the doctor and nurse who try to keep him alive until the ambulance comes. So in real life he had that waitress/actress for a girlfriend and was ready to ask her to marry him. So he wasn't the screwed up kid in his 'near death vision'. So why did these things happen in his head? There were lots of clues that the psychiatrist and the boy were one and the same by the way the camera switched positions when they talked in several scenes, so that they would constantly be in each others place. But I thought this was some kind of psychoses the doctor was having due to a trauma he had sustained in the accident. But none of it all.. The doctor didn't matter one bit.. and I REALLY did not understand the rest of the film..
But I did like the film visually and cinematographic. Those dancing lines in the last scene on the bridge.. beautifully done... And I liked how all the scenes seem to flow into the next one. There wasn't a sharp cut in the bunch. So it was beautiful too look at it, but I didn't like the explanation and the story makes no sense to me.. Can you shed more light on that Seli? |
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Selivia |
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I've finally had a chance to edit some screen captures to use as illustrations.
By no means do I think I have the answers so I am just putting these thoughts forward for consideration, and please anyone who has other ideas please jump in. I think there is an awful lot in this movie worthy of discussion, and even the makers may not have been deliberately aware of what they were constructing - some things come as gut instincts and artisitc eye. What is it about? Well, that's the big question, isn't it? And I think it is wide open to interpretation. To me, the more I see of it the more my thoughts solidify. This is that "your life flashing before your eyes" in the moments before actual death that seems to be a commonly held belief. It was fairly obvious from the outset (at least, to me) that the central character played by Ryan Gosling was actually dead - it was the walking away from the burning wreckage that was my major clue. But it is not until the end that you realise that he has projected his fears, desires and life onto the images of the faces that he sees in those last minutes of conscious thought. In his own mind, he builds an elaborate story to send Ewan McGregor's projected character on a search for who he truly is - the scenes with the people in his life, reliving the major emotions of his interaction with them in a third party format; his own life drifting out of his control; the desire for companionship/partnership; the search for a worthy 'mate' and the frustrating obscension with the ring and the intended fiance. The voices he "hears" are the people at the crash scene, and gives the name of the movie. A neat touch, and not revealed properly until the end. Before working out that the life of the psychologist is a projection by the dying man, it almost appears that he, the psychologist, might be suffering a disorientation or going slowly crazy himself. So, in simple terms, that's what I think it is about - a person trying to make sense of his own life through projected memories of things that did happen, and things he would have liked to have happened, in the moments before sudden death. The characters as they appear in reality
As they appear in the projected "dream" sequences
What makes this movie so involving and entrancing is the cinematography and direction. From my limited knowledge and observations, they seem to have done everything "right", starting with a very strict colour pallet that pervades the entire movie - a set of blues and orange browns. But the framing and editing, and the angles, points of view, and scene changes are brilliant and inventive - in some cases adding to the story as much as the dialogue. scene changes... moving from the "psychologist's" room lined with
books to the bridge and 'reality'. The lines of the books and shelves, merging with and becoming hte framework of the bridge.
The clue that the 'psychologist' and the man are the same person
Visual effects that take the 'dream sequences' out of the realms of reality - or showing a breakdown of reality as the brain begins to die and lose touch with the surroundings. That beautiful effect as the sequence draws to an end and the two halves of the personality "catch up", and the framework of the bridge begins to disolve.
repeating segments of dream sequence/action it happens a lot in this sequence, parts of the action repeated identically over and over, missing pieces of action as the characters rotate around each other the back ground morphing and bluring, constant motion of
camera and characters
another repeat sequence section, repeated so rapidly that the
after image continues to move as the overlay image comes into focus only to be replaced by the next image repeat. This was a particularly nice sequence.
The separation or search for the real person/personality, or maybe the loss of control
Note also the use of mirror images that repeat throughout the film, eg this frame, which also continues various other schematic themes - texture, pattern, angle, movement
a really strange image flash - strange because although it fits perfectly with the movie, this happens after the young man dies, and the two strangers exchange a short conversation before going their separate ways. Could this be a hint that hteir shared experience may bring them together eventually?
Throughout the movie there are several obsessions - some are driven by the unfolding story itself, like the ring
and the artist, Latham, and his works and supposed life (it doesn't matter if this is a real artist or not, it/he is just a vehicle of the story unfolding) The artwork keeps repeating images from the man's life, and imminent death, like the bridge painting at the library
the paintings she finds in her studio
and of course, as soon as she figures out the connection, she cannot escape the place (is locked in) to warn her psychologist boyfriend These images are repeated exactly in the man's life flashback (discussed later). This may have been an early attempt to come to terms with what was happening, but he blocked it until ready to face it. Other obsessions are technical/director/visual props to the dreams Stairs, and textures
Beautiful imagery/photography (note the continuing colour schemes, and the textural content)
The two major 'players' return to their own lives, oblivious to the projections.
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Oh, I love your post Seli!
I am not sure what you mean with the cases.. I don't remember them. Maybe the Emergency Services use such cases? The twins and triplets. There is one person, but he is sort of splitting himself into two people: himself and the psychiatrist, who are basically the same. Like twins are two of the same. But then I started thinking: why the triplets? Because there is not just the doctor as a part of himself... there is also the nurse. He 'borrows' her as well to give a 'body' to apart of himself. The creative/mentally confused part. What I wonder is: how mentally ill was the real him? Is this just something that is in his head becasue he did a thesis in his psychology class about that painter that killed himself? Or did he do the thesis becasue he recognises elements of himself in the painter? Is HE really a painter as well? I am also confused about the blind professor. Why is he able to heal that man? Is he Jesus? Is part of him divine somehow? In the beginning he also forecasts a hail storm and someone later asks if he will forecasts locusts as well, like in the OT. |
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Wow, wonderful post, Selivia!
hannah kipje wrote: I think the fact that Leo cannot see in Henry's vision, or however you may call it, is symbolically. To easen the pain, at least that's my
explainantion, he imagines his parents to be distant from him. His father is a blind friend of Sam, his mother is already dead and his girl-friend is waitress
he fancies. In my opinion, Henry doesn't think his father sees him how he really is. The estrangement from his father shows in his vision.
I am not sure about the mental state of Henry. When we see the scenes that are 'real', we hear Sam saying: " They are gone." and Henry
closes his tearful eyes. So he is awares that his parents and his girl-friend are dead. I think, he knows, he is about to die. Guilt is a central theme in
Henry's vision. ( Forgive me.) The theme of suicide could also be in his visions because he doesn't want to live anymore, after causing the death of
his loved ones.
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Selivia |
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As for the blind chess-playing professor who he identified as his father in his projection, yes, I too took that as representing how he felt that his father
didn't "see" him, was blind to who he felt he was inside. He was able to "cure" him because in his mind he had the conversation that he
should have had in real life but never got around to.
Forecasting the weather - well, as the whole thing was in his mind, the rain never really happened anyway - (wasn't there rain at the accident?) - so he was the one manipulating what happened. He could have forecast anything. Perhaps it was his attempt to get some control in his world. Like the repeat of the scene with the child and mother, the balloon and the piano - slightly different outcomes each time. Was this his attempt to sort things out, test out different scenarios to see if it could have ended differently? |
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I promise, when I am not ready to drop from exhaustion.. tomorrow I will come and in join in on the intellectual conversation..
because this movie is brilliant
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DizzyMissLizzie1 |
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Firstly I wanted to apologize for not being a very enthusiastic member of this conversation...in my defense I respect the film too much to write just a quick
note about it...and as you may have noticed I'm not so good with words so I guess I just never had the courage to do it...but I see that I'm not the
only one who was absolutely taken by the film...brilliant editing, acting, script...I enjoy those films who messes with me mind and this is a perfect
example...about the blind professor...well it was Henry's conscience that made up those characters and therefore he could do whotever he wished...and the
fact that he healed him...well I'm lost there a bit...but that scene got me bad...I'm going to sound like such a teenager but I cried me arse off...and
I to don't understand the low rating at IMDb...i think this is one of the best films I've ever seen!
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Selivia |
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The very average rating on IMDb is easy - a lot of people don't "get" such a cerebral movie/story, they need to be spoonfed and told when to
laugh and when to cry and have a happy ever after ending. Such deeply psychological movies like this become cult classics - beloved of those who enjoy having
their perceptions challenged.
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